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Where does AH26 crosses, EDSA-SLEX or Avenida Rizal/Taft/Quirino/Alabang-Zapote/National Highway?

Where does really AH26 or Maharlika Highway crosses, is it in EDSA from Monumento to Magallanes, since there are AH26 markers are built there continuing to SLEx up to Calamba-Turbina or via Avenida Rizal (Rizal Avenue) from Monumento to Sta. Cruz, Manila, Taft Avenue up to Baclaran, Quirino Avenue from Baclaran to Alabang-Zapote Road and National Highway (Alabang to Calamba)? SkyHigher (talk) 04:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be split into two articles. Strictly speaking, in the new DPWH road numbering system the Pan-Philippine Highway refers only to Highway N1, and with the implementation of this system AH26 is no longer solely coterminous with Highway N1 since it now includes stretches of other highways as well as the NLEX (E1) and SLEX/Skyway (E2). --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 05:37, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fire away, Sky Harbor. I'm not sure what highway it is you're referring to. If it is the old Maharlika Highway, then I believe its segments have their own different names, like Cagayan Valley Road, Manila South Road, etc. The Pan-Philippine Highway i believe does no longer follow the old Maharlika hwy route ever since it upgraded to the Asian Highway system. Maharlika Route therefore no longer exists?--RioHondo (talk) 07:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm arguing that it still exists (albeit with modifications; the Pan-Philippine Highway no longer routes through Manila proper, but instead uses EDSA), but AH26 is no longer coterminous with the Pan-Philippine Highway. The Pan-Philippine Highway is still N1; it wouldn't have that number if it wasn't the so-called "national highway". Although I'm currently out of the country, I have expressed my desire to secure a list of these highways from the DPWH just so we know what we're dealing with—hopefully I can get a copy of this by the end of this month or the beginning of August. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 16:05, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, I actually have not read any official document regarding this PPH and its alignment, just like our radial roads and circumferential roads. I was merely following what I see in WP and commons. Like most roads in the Philippines, you know that they exist but don't know what they're really called or where they begin and end. There's multiple names for each road, and you don't know anymore which is official and where they actually take you, as one road becomes something else in another city or town. The Maharlika Highway that most people know now is just the portion of the highway past SLEX en route to the Bicol Region. All the rest have their own different names now. Anyway, it would be great to secure those official DPWH docs, and I look forward to seeing your report or article on this. Thanks!--RioHondo (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, according to the Statistics Division of the DPWH, the numbering of specific roads is found here: [1]. This list is divided by region and by engineering district, and specific stretches of road will have corresponding route numbers. Route numbers have also been integrated into OpenStreetMap, albeit incompletely. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 07:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, I don't know how to intepret those labels. Those numbers look more like road identification/classification nos. to me than actual route nos. For instance, how could Route 1 in Metro Manila cover the whole stretch of EDSA from Monumento and ending at a dead end in Mall of Asia? And then would reappear only in Santo Tomas, Batangas after Expressway 2 (SLEX)? The circumferential and radial roads that we know are missing here also, and their segments are numbered differently too so they don't appear as full routes that lead out to the provinces. Check out Radial Road 6 (R-6) and Aurora Blvd in particular. West of EDSA, its labeled as Route 180. East of EDSA it becomes Route 59?? Or is it because west of EDSA, R-6 is narrower and therefore only a secondary road compared to R-6 east of edsa which is a full highway? What do you think?--RioHondo (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just sent you a message at RioHondo's talk page regarding a split of Pan-Philippine Highway to two articles, with the second article named Maharlika Highway. There are evidence that Pan-Philippine Highway and Maharlika Highway are different routes. Pan-Philippine Highway from Guiguinto, Bulacan, through Metro Manila and up to Calamba, rather follows NLEX (still unsigned), EDSA (signed near TriNoma and SM Megamall), and SLEX (not signed until it comes by Carmona, where signs mounted on orange signposts and reading E2/AH26 can be seen until Calamba Exit). Maharlika Highway/Daang Maharlika seems to follow the whole of Cagayan Valley Road, a part of MacArthur Highway], and not signed when it follows Rizal Avenue, Padre Burgos Avenue, Taft Avenue, Quirino Avenue, Diego Cera Avenue, and Alabang-Zapote Road. At Manila South Road, it is sometimes signed, like in Muntinlupa, where signs read "Daang Maharlika (MSR-Muntinlupa)". In fact, by my knowledge on roads around Muntinlupa, Manila South Road (officially abbreviated as MSR, or locally called National Road or National Highway) is signed also as Maharlika Highway (in Filipino: Daang Maharlika).--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TagaSanPedroAko, the terms "Pan-Philippine Highway" and "Maharlika Highway" refer to the same road, which is supposed to be Highway N1. When the DPWH released the new numbering system, the old segments of the Pan-Philippine Highway that were no longer considered part of N1 were given new highway numbers: the old stretch in North Manila (Bonifacio, Abad Santos and Rizal Avenues) constitute Highways N150 and N151, while the stretch in South Manila (P. Burgos and Taft Avenues) constitute Highways N150 and N170. If any split is to be considered, it should be this one and AH26: the Pan-Philippine Highway article refers solely to N1, while AH26 will refer to N1 and all other segments that form that highway. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 03:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have observed something on N1, MacArthur Highway is part of N1, but not AH26. Same case is the MSR in Alabang, Muntinlupa until Calamba, Laguna where the AH26 is designated on the highway from SLEX. FrjWorld (talk) 08:34, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sky Harbor and RioHondo: Getting back from a long break in this discussion, but we should better agree that N1 and AH26 are separate routes. The Asian Highway Network article doesn’t say anything about road standards, but it’s possible AH26 has been routed along sections of NLEX and SLEX is to avoid congested areas or slower roads in the same vein as the E-routes in Europe, where they mostly follow controlled- or limited-access highways (autobahn/autoroute/autostrada/motorway) per UNECE recommendations instead of the older national highways. It is also the case for several other AH routes (e.g. AH1 uses expressways in Japan, South Korea, and China; AH2 through Indonesia and Malaysia follows toll roads and expressways over the existing national routes and federal roads in those respective countries)

To make matters worse, there’s also the designation North-South Backbone, also used as the designation for the many sections of Maharlika Highway before the RNS; we (as well as the mappers in Google Maps or OpenStreetMap) might have also confused Maharlika Highway with that designation, that we (as well as the mappers) concluded the former is coterminous with the latter. DPWH has only used the Maharlika Highway/Daang Maharlika south from Alabang (though the San Pedro-Turbina leg has been named with the older Manila South Road) to Digos (where from south of there, Route 1 or the N-S Backbone becomes Digos-Makar). In reality, basing from official DPWH data, the Daang Maharlika name wasn’t used in the N-S Backbone through North Luzon at all. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Road Signs

I'll be needing some assistance to edit the road signs for the national secondary roads for Mindanao. Thanks! Marwan_Khan (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marwan Khan: What signs? Route markers/shields? --hueman1 (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@HueMan1: Yes. Route markers/shields. Marwan_Khan (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marwan Khan: I'm still on N300 and N400 series but I'll take care of it once when I'm done. Please wait. --hueman1 (talk) 03:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@HueMan1: Copy! Thanks! Marwan_Khan (talk) 03:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marwan Khan: I am very sorry about this, as you can see, most route markers varies in their dimensions and most of it uses Roadgeek font. I had to update it. --hueman1 (talk) 05:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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